Comments for The Steve Irwin Mosaic Tribute Project http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com Crocs Rule! Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:44:49 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by shreya http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11973 shreya Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:44:49 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11973 cool these r very dangerous snakes in the world cool these r very dangerous snakes in the world

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Larry S http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11972 Larry S Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:07:44 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11972 One must relize that this list is one person opinion but if you study this list as well as other regarding this subject you will see quite a difference in opinion who is truly the most deadly. Mnay list I have read do have many of the same members on it. hissssssssssssssss One must relize that this list is one person opinion but if you study this list as well as other regarding this subject you will see quite a difference in opinion who is truly the most deadly. Mnay list I have read do have many of the same members on it. hissssssssssssssss

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by CHINMAY http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11971 CHINMAY Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:49:41 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11971 THIS WEBSITE IS AWESOME.IT GIVES DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT SNAKES.IT HELPED ME GREAT.THANK YOU IRWIN! THIS WEBSITE IS AWESOME.IT GIVES DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT SNAKES.IT HELPED ME GREAT.THANK YOU IRWIN!

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Lionfire http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11970 Lionfire Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:00:42 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11970 After all is said and done there's is no doubt that in terms of aggression, strike speed and overall demenour the Black mamba is the deadliest and most feared snake according to most herpatologists and others who have studied aussie's worst and africa's most feared... The king Cobra is the largest most venemous snake and can inject large quantities of neurotoxic venom along with most other cobras. The Brown , tiger and taipan are extremely poisonous but dont have the speed of strike and reputation of the Black mamba.. Im proud to say as a south african that we have the the deadliest snake in the world along with the biggest fanged,( Gaboon Adder) as well as the most posionous the boomslang... its all happening right her off my doorstep!!! Cheers, DAza After all is said and done there’s is no doubt that in terms of aggression, strike speed and overall demenour the Black mamba is the deadliest and most feared snake according to most herpatologists and others who have studied aussie’s worst and africa’s most feared…

The king Cobra is the largest most venemous snake and can inject large quantities of neurotoxic venom along with most other cobras.

The Brown , tiger and taipan are extremely poisonous but dont have the speed of strike and reputation of the Black mamba..

Im proud to say as a south african that we have the the deadliest snake in the world along with the biggest fanged,( Gaboon Adder) as well as the most posionous the boomslang…

its all happening right her off my doorstep!!!

Cheers,

DAza

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Black Mamba Wins http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11969 Black Mamba Wins Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:27:07 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11969 Josh, the last little bit of your post is precisely what I have done. I used to just Google the "Deadliest snakes in the world", and accept what the first site had to say. Now, however, I test these theories myself. As you have seen from my previous posts, my results tend to contradict what many others believe. Like you said, people are entitled to their opinion, and it may either be right, or wrong. I present my argument because I believe it to be right, based on my studies. Others tend to base there arguments on other peoples' studies. This is why I get annoyed, because most of the posters claim something, but their only proof is research done by someone else. As you have said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, meaning you are too. I personally don't think that a blog is to answer a question and only a question. I believe a blog is designed to give a possible answer to a question, and then, see what others think about that answer. Just curious, but what are your thoughts on what the deadliest snake is? Josh, the last little bit of your post is precisely what I have done. I used to just Google the “Deadliest snakes in the world”, and accept what the first site had to say. Now, however, I test these theories myself. As you have seen from my previous posts, my results tend to contradict what many others believe. Like you said, people are entitled to their opinion, and it may either be right, or wrong. I present my argument because I believe it to be right, based on my studies. Others tend to base there arguments on other peoples’ studies. This is why I get annoyed, because most of the posters claim something, but their only proof is research done by someone else. As you have said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, meaning you are too. I personally don’t think that a blog is to answer a question and only a question. I believe a blog is designed to give a possible answer to a question, and then, see what others think about that answer. Just curious, but what are your thoughts on what the deadliest snake is?

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Josh http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11968 Josh Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:45:34 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11968 Wow. I didn't expect to find a site quite like this when I decided to research the current snake species recognized as the top ten for most toxic venom. When I first read the list, it seemed, and still seems, very plausible, in that it corresponds to previous statements and explanations that I have heard as to which species were potentially the most toxic. Then I started to read the threads. I was not hooked. I then skipped to the end and caught part of an argument, so I scrolled back up to where I left off and read the rest. After reading all of the submissions, I have concluded what I believe any logical person, especially a logical person with any higher education in biology would, in that there are many opinions, both with and without any credibility. Opinions, even opinions based upon certain studies and personal observation/experience with the animals do not need to be presented as "evidence of the true nature of the way the world really is." Black Mamba Wins has presented credible evidence for his argument based on what seems to be an extensive study. Tim has presented seemingly credible evidence to support his arguments. However, no amount of experience, experimentation, or (and especially) argumentation can hope to reach a conclusion about the Truth (with a capital T). Studies and observation can only serve to enlighten us with certain information about how the world works/worked at that particular time. Even published scientific studies (I read a LOT of them, as I am a graduate student currently striving to earn a MS in Population and Conservation Biology), while VERY credible, do not necessarily tell us the Truth. One study can yield certain results, and the same scientists can perform the same study only to obtain different results. One thing that gives studies an order of magnitude more credibility is repeatability. If a group of scientists can obtain the same results consistently, and if others can perform the experiment and obtain the same results, then the theory is definitely sound, but still does not prove anything 100%. So far, the best argument I have heard on the matter (although I would tend to not agree, based only on what I have previously heard) is from Black Mamba Wins. He claims to have done the studies himself, and that he has results to support his arguments. However, since he can not provide us with a publication/raw data other than the Guiness Book of World Records (2009), we have no reason to believe him. And, it is important to note, that if he HAD presented us with a scientific paper that was written by 12 or so herpetologists/chemists/biochemists/medical doctors that are known to produce the greatest research in their fields, we still would not KNOW the true answer to this question. We would only have valuable evidence to help us to better understand the possible nature of the Truth. There are also many factors that can potentially make interpreting such studies ambiguous. For instance, every inland taipan will not have the same LD50. Nor will every black mamba. Nor will every canebrake rattlesnake. Furthermore, the same black mamba would not have venom of the same LD50 if sampled at different times throughout its life. The potency of venom can be slightly different based on many environmental factors. Snakes produce their own venom, so it would be ignorant to think that the condition of the animal at the time of sampling has nothing to do with its potency. Also, it is ignorant to think that all black mambas or all taipans (inland or not) will have venom of the same potency. It is also very ignorant to argue so passionately about the true nature of this topic. I tend to believe scientific theories that have proven themselves repeatedly, but I only believe them 95%, if that much. If evidence is gathered to refute previous studies of theories that have previously had a dogmatic following, it is the duty of those concerned to backtrack and re-visit the matter to try and gain more insight. So, the point I am trying to make is NOT that the black mamba is the most dangerous, venomous, or dangerous, nor is the fierce snake, nor is the beaked sea snake. The point is that it's prudent for those concerned to seek information from published scientific studies rather than from a blog that anyone can say anything they want without any knowledge on the matter or respect for others (bigdick certainly doesn't care to help others. He also doesn't deserve the responses that some of you gave him/her, as this person is obiously either ignorant or desires to get some sort of negative response from the rest of you true nature lovers). Also, it is important to scrutinize the methods of these papers to see if they serve to answer the question(s) under study. If so, take the conclusions as evidence to support what may be the Truth, but don't believe it 100% just because a scientist did some study that you know nothing about that results in some findings that you may not even understand. And certainly don't think that the information posted here is supposed to accurately depict the nature of the question. This blog was meant to give an answer to the question of the 10 deadliest snakes in the world to the best of the author's ability. I would certainly say that it is informative to the layman that knows nothing about snakes and wants a quick and somewhat accurate answer to this question. It is also informative to someone, like myself, that knows a lot about the natural world, and wants to see the current listings for such inquiries. To those of you that have your own opinions, you may be right. You may not be right. And if you're right, you probably aren't right 100% of the time, as this question is relative (one snake's venom is more potent relative to another's). Just enjoy the forum, learn what you can, and if you are not satisfied, research it yourself. Ater all, the more we know, the more questions we should have as a species with high mental capacities. I repeat, answers to questions only lead to more questions. And "research it yourself" doesn't mean go to the Google homepage and type in "most toxic snake venom in the world" or "deadliest snakes in the world." It may actually entail obtaining these snakes and extracting their venom and diluting it and seeing how dilute you can make it, and average, and still kill several mice. Or it may entail seeing the smallest amount of venom straight from the snake that will kill a mouse and doing some math to see how many snakes that particular snake can kill given the smallest amount needed to kill a mouse and how much they can inject with a bite. Wow. I didn’t expect to find a site quite like this when I decided to research the current snake species recognized as the top ten for most toxic venom. When I first read the list, it seemed, and still seems, very plausible, in that it corresponds to previous statements and explanations that I have heard as to which species were potentially the most toxic. Then I started to read the threads. I was not hooked. I then skipped to the end and caught part of an argument, so I scrolled back up to where I left off and read the rest. After reading all of the submissions, I have concluded what I believe any logical person, especially a logical person with any higher education in biology would, in that there are many opinions, both with and without any credibility. Opinions, even opinions based upon certain studies and personal observation/experience with the animals do not need to be presented as “evidence of the true nature of the way the world really is.” Black Mamba Wins has presented credible evidence for his argument based on what seems to be an extensive study. Tim has presented seemingly credible evidence to support his arguments. However, no amount of experience, experimentation, or (and especially) argumentation can hope to reach a conclusion about the Truth (with a capital T). Studies and observation can only serve to enlighten us with certain information about how the world works/worked at that particular time. Even published scientific studies (I read a LOT of them, as I am a graduate student currently striving to earn a MS in Population and Conservation Biology), while VERY credible, do not necessarily tell us the Truth. One study can yield certain results, and the same scientists can perform the same study only to obtain different results. One thing that gives studies an order of magnitude more credibility is repeatability. If a group of scientists can obtain the same results consistently, and if others can perform the experiment and obtain the same results, then the theory is definitely sound, but still does not prove anything 100%. So far, the best argument I have heard on the matter (although I would tend to not agree, based only on what I have previously heard) is from Black Mamba Wins. He claims to have done the studies himself, and that he has results to support his arguments. However, since he can not provide us with a publication/raw data other than the Guiness Book of World Records (2009), we have no reason to believe him. And, it is important to note, that if he HAD presented us with a scientific paper that was written by 12 or so herpetologists/chemists/biochemists/medical doctors that are known to produce the greatest research in their fields, we still would not KNOW the true answer to this question. We would only have valuable evidence to help us to better understand the possible nature of the Truth. There are also many factors that can potentially make interpreting such studies ambiguous. For instance, every inland taipan will not have the same LD50. Nor will every black mamba. Nor will every canebrake rattlesnake. Furthermore, the same black mamba would not have venom of the same LD50 if sampled at different times throughout its life. The potency of venom can be slightly different based on many environmental factors. Snakes produce their own venom, so it would be ignorant to think that the condition of the animal at the time of sampling has nothing to do with its potency. Also, it is ignorant to think that all black mambas or all taipans (inland or not) will have venom of the same potency. It is also very ignorant to argue so passionately about the true nature of this topic. I tend to believe scientific theories that have proven themselves repeatedly, but I only believe them 95%, if that much. If evidence is gathered to refute previous studies of theories that have previously had a dogmatic following, it is the duty of those concerned to backtrack and re-visit the matter to try and gain more insight.

So, the point I am trying to make is NOT that the black mamba is the most dangerous, venomous, or dangerous, nor is the fierce snake, nor is the beaked sea snake. The point is that it’s prudent for those concerned to seek information from published scientific studies rather than from a blog that anyone can say anything they want without any knowledge on the matter or respect for others (bigdick certainly doesn’t care to help others. He also doesn’t deserve the responses that some of you gave him/her, as this person is obiously either ignorant or desires to get some sort of negative response from the rest of you true nature lovers). Also, it is important to scrutinize the methods of these papers to see if they serve to answer the question(s) under study. If so, take the conclusions as evidence to support what may be the Truth, but don’t believe it 100% just because a scientist did some study that you know nothing about that results in some findings that you may not even understand. And certainly don’t think that the information posted here is supposed to accurately depict the nature of the question. This blog was meant to give an answer to the question of the 10 deadliest snakes in the world to the best of the author’s ability. I would certainly say that it is informative to the layman that knows nothing about snakes and wants a quick and somewhat accurate answer to this question. It is also informative to someone, like myself, that knows a lot about the natural world, and wants to see the current listings for such inquiries. To those of you that have your own opinions, you may be right. You may not be right. And if you’re right, you probably aren’t right 100% of the time, as this question is relative (one snake’s venom is more potent relative to another’s). Just enjoy the forum, learn what you can, and if you are not satisfied, research it yourself. Ater all, the more we know, the more questions we should have as a species with high mental capacities. I repeat, answers to questions only lead to more questions. And “research it yourself” doesn’t mean go to the Google homepage and type in “most toxic snake venom in the world” or “deadliest snakes in the world.” It may actually entail obtaining these snakes and extracting their venom and diluting it and seeing how dilute you can make it, and average, and still kill several mice. Or it may entail seeing the smallest amount of venom straight from the snake that will kill a mouse and doing some math to see how many snakes that particular snake can kill given the smallest amount needed to kill a mouse and how much they can inject with a bite.

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Black Mamba Wins http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11967 Black Mamba Wins Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:22:20 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11967 Sorry Kevin, but I have to disagree with you there. The list clearly says "Deadliest", not "Venomous". And even if it was a list of the most venomous, the black mamba should still be number one. If you don't believe me, see some of my previous posts to see why. I really don't want to have to explain it again. Sorry Kevin, but I have to disagree with you there. The list clearly says “Deadliest”, not “Venomous”. And even if it was a list of the most venomous, the black mamba should still be number one. If you don’t believe me, see some of my previous posts to see why. I really don’t want to have to explain it again.

]]> Comment on The Deadliest Snakes in the World by Kevin http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11965 Kevin Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:33:23 +0000 http://crikeymatemosaic.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/the-deadliest-snakes-in-the-world/#comment-11965 To those questioning the 'Black Mamba' not being o n the list: The list is of the most 'Venemous' not the most dangerous. To those questioning the ‘Black Mamba’ not being o n the list: The list is of the most ‘Venemous’ not the most dangerous.

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